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	<title>Comments on: State Dept. admits passport form was illegal, but still wants it approved</title>
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	<description>Challenging ID Demands</description>
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		<title>By: niku</title>
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		<dc:creator>niku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in India, and plan to never come to the US, but this sadly affects us too. Indian government just apes the US regulations, saying “since &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; do it, it must be right!” 

I have no idea whether these US problems will go away (I hope they do), but I do want the “rest of the world” to stop idolizing the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in India, and plan to never come to the US, but this sadly affects us too. Indian government just apes the US regulations, saying “since <i>they</i> do it, it must be right!” </p>
<p>I have no idea whether these US problems will go away (I hope they do), but I do want the “rest of the world” to stop idolizing the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Mamma Mia! US State Dept Bizarre New Passport Application &#171; THE LIBERTARIAN &#8211; El Libertario &#8211; Le Libertaire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mamma Mia! US State Dept Bizarre New Passport Application &#171; THE LIBERTARIAN &#8211; El Libertario &#8211; Le Libertaire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 05:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8230;This month&#8217;s Uncle Bennie award&#8211;unveiled in another &#8216; law switcheroo&#8217; at this fascinating expose site: http://papersplease.org/wp/     of the  http://www.thefirstamendment.org/programs.html   . Once passports were simply optional letters of introduction and safepassage, now says the article if the US has its way they&#8217;ll be a multi-page a snoopfest with impossible questions becomes a way to ban travel from the land of the free? Should you get a passport now (see article on getting 2 passports down our feed)? &#8230;Libs worldwide advocate treaties for passport-free travel and working residency, so folks: &#8230;this is DOA and is another ignore-the-Libs program that won&#8217;t stand.  How bad is this? You decide: http://papersplease.org/wp/2012/09/24/state-dept-admits-passport-form-was-illegal-but-still-wants-it... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8230;This month&#8217;s Uncle Bennie award&#8211;unveiled in another &#8216; law switcheroo&#8217; at this fascinating expose site: http://papersplease.org/wp/     of the  <a href="http://www.thefirstamendment.org/programs.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thefirstamendment.org/programs.html</a>   . Once passports were simply optional letters of introduction and safepassage, now says the article if the US has its way they&#8217;ll be a multi-page a snoopfest with impossible questions becomes a way to ban travel from the land of the free? Should you get a passport now (see article on getting 2 passports down our feed)? &#8230;Libs worldwide advocate treaties for passport-free travel and working residency, so folks: &#8230;this is DOA and is another ignore-the-Libs program that won&#8217;t stand.  How bad is this? You decide: <a href="http://papersplease.org/wp/2012/09/24/state-dept-admits-passport-form-was-illegal-but-still-wants-it.." rel="nofollow">http://papersplease.org/wp/2012/09/24/state-dept-admits-passport-form-was-illegal-but-still-wants-it..</a>. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: New requirements for passports, another small step towards tyranny &#171; Fabius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>New requirements for passports, another small step towards tyranny &#171; Fabius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 00:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;State Dept. admits passport form was illegal, but still wants it approved&#8220; Reposted from Papers Please website of The Identity Project 24 September 2012 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Headlines: RIP to Means and McGovern; Feed the Weed; Passport Boogie; Fascist U.S.A.; COINTELPRO COPS; WalMart Still Sucks &#171; WaketheHerd.com</title>
		<link>http://papersplease.org/wp/2012/09/24/state-dept-admits-passport-form-was-illegal-but-still-wants-it-approved/#comment-711395</link>
		<dc:creator>Headlines: RIP to Means and McGovern; Feed the Weed; Passport Boogie; Fascist U.S.A.; COINTELPRO COPS; WalMart Still Sucks &#171; WaketheHerd.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 02:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why You Need A Passport Now [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nena, you are the only one so far who has actually tried to get a passport using these forms and has written here about it, so I see that it is no exaggeration.  I can agree heartily with your last sentence. And certainly as you say you have proven your identity enough times to be able to do what you do at home, so why the goddam ridiculous demands now?? I am from Canada, have a vacation home in Arizona. You should all write your representatives NOW and raise the biggest protest you can. I will also be doing that on your behalf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nena, you are the only one so far who has actually tried to get a passport using these forms and has written here about it, so I see that it is no exaggeration.  I can agree heartily with your last sentence. And certainly as you say you have proven your identity enough times to be able to do what you do at home, so why the goddam ridiculous demands now?? I am from Canada, have a vacation home in Arizona. You should all write your representatives NOW and raise the biggest protest you can. I will also be doing that on your behalf.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 21:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SO ??  going to give young illegals permission to stay...and prove the requirement for this benifit....OMB ,so what ...look hard at the "requirement" to provide SSN on the current form and tell me this matters or rather at this late date it could possibly matter...AS IF ....it would be changed....the current forms are carrying the Matadora exemptions given by his highness Regan in freaking 1980's...that do not apply to "citizens" only denizens....move-on nothing to see here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SO ??  going to give young illegals permission to stay&#8230;and prove the requirement for this benifit&#8230;.OMB ,so what &#8230;look hard at the &#8220;requirement&#8221; to provide SSN on the current form and tell me this matters or rather at this late date it could possibly matter&#8230;AS IF &#8230;.it would be changed&#8230;.the current forms are carrying the Matadora exemptions given by his highness Regan in freaking 1980&#8217;s&#8230;that do not apply to &#8220;citizens&#8221; only denizens&#8230;.move-on nothing to see here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nena Norwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nena Norwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Am Being Illegally "held" in the USA Without Charges

I am 64 years old and have, much to my regret, never traveled abroad.  I have the opportunity to go to France for a vacation with a friend who is enrolling his daughter in an American School in France.  However, I have been denied a passport because even with all that you supply to the passport office I have "not established my identity."

The letter said that I had to complete the "biographical sheet" which was not enclosed.  Looking on line I see that I have to "know" the address and zip code of every place I have lived in the US plus additional information that would only be required of a felon or terrorist.

Sixty four and they suggest I supply a high school year book photo?  I was born in Wichita Falls Texas in 1948 to citizens who also never traveled abroad.  I owe no money.  I have no criminal charges against me.  Even my auto insurance knows that I have never in 64 years had an accident.  I have no traffic tickets.  

One of my children, and her family, have passports and have travel abroad extensively.  The Social Security Office recognizes my identity enough to award me survivor benefits.  A company I worked for for years recognizes my identity to the degree that I will receive my pension next year.  The State of Texas recognizes me to the extent of recognizing that I have "lost property."  I am executrix of my mother's estate and am recognized as such by various legal entities.

Despite all this, the State Department does not recognize me as a US citizen who poses no threat in, as a senior citizen, visiting a foreign country before I die.  Felons, dual citizens, people who owe child support etc. are able to get first time passports; however, I am not.

I can only assume that despite being a citizen with no legal problems, I am being held illegally in this country.  I feel humiliated...violated...raped of my rights.

Nena Norwood</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Am Being Illegally &#8220;held&#8221; in the USA Without Charges</p>
<p>I am 64 years old and have, much to my regret, never traveled abroad.  I have the opportunity to go to France for a vacation with a friend who is enrolling his daughter in an American School in France.  However, I have been denied a passport because even with all that you supply to the passport office I have &#8220;not established my identity.&#8221;</p>
<p>The letter said that I had to complete the &#8220;biographical sheet&#8221; which was not enclosed.  Looking on line I see that I have to &#8220;know&#8221; the address and zip code of every place I have lived in the US plus additional information that would only be required of a felon or terrorist.</p>
<p>Sixty four and they suggest I supply a high school year book photo?  I was born in Wichita Falls Texas in 1948 to citizens who also never traveled abroad.  I owe no money.  I have no criminal charges against me.  Even my auto insurance knows that I have never in 64 years had an accident.  I have no traffic tickets.  </p>
<p>One of my children, and her family, have passports and have travel abroad extensively.  The Social Security Office recognizes my identity enough to award me survivor benefits.  A company I worked for for years recognizes my identity to the degree that I will receive my pension next year.  The State of Texas recognizes me to the extent of recognizing that I have &#8220;lost property.&#8221;  I am executrix of my mother&#8217;s estate and am recognized as such by various legal entities.</p>
<p>Despite all this, the State Department does not recognize me as a US citizen who poses no threat in, as a senior citizen, visiting a foreign country before I die.  Felons, dual citizens, people who owe child support etc. are able to get first time passports; however, I am not.</p>
<p>I can only assume that despite being a citizen with no legal problems, I am being held illegally in this country.  I feel humiliated&#8230;violated&#8230;raped of my rights.</p>
<p>Nena Norwood</p>
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		<title>By: TomTeriffic</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomTeriffic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is beyond preposterous.  Let's not forget that, if you're adopted, and from a state that had closed adoption laws, it may well be impossible AND illegal to answer many of these questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is beyond preposterous.  Let&#8217;s not forget that, if you&#8217;re adopted, and from a state that had closed adoption laws, it may well be impossible AND illegal to answer many of these questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Obama could fill in all the info.  Oh wait, the law only applies to us slaves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Obama could fill in all the info.  Oh wait, the law only applies to us slaves.</p>
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		<title>By: Asa Fulton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asa Fulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All US diplomatic passports and passports of non civil service State department officials should be immediately revoked, from Hillary on down.  Since passports are issued by the State Department and Hillary is the .  Thees people should then be forced to reapply for their replacement diplomatic passports with complete and ACCURATE proposed Form DS-5513's attached, starting with Hillary. since, as head of the State department, she is ultimately PERSONALLY responsible for this fabulous new form.  Should there happen to be innacurate or non-verifiable statements in these submittals, the responsible officials should be prosecuted under the purjury laws and sent to the Supermax; if forms are incomplete or missing the passport applications should be summarily rejected.
This alone would eliminate the need for 99% of diplomatic passports since nobody would qualify, and likewise eliminate the need for all State Department operations, since it would be impossible to find anybody to staff it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All US diplomatic passports and passports of non civil service State department officials should be immediately revoked, from Hillary on down.  Since passports are issued by the State Department and Hillary is the .  Thees people should then be forced to reapply for their replacement diplomatic passports with complete and ACCURATE proposed Form DS-5513&#8217;s attached, starting with Hillary. since, as head of the State department, she is ultimately PERSONALLY responsible for this fabulous new form.  Should there happen to be innacurate or non-verifiable statements in these submittals, the responsible officials should be prosecuted under the purjury laws and sent to the Supermax; if forms are incomplete or missing the passport applications should be summarily rejected.<br />
This alone would eliminate the need for 99% of diplomatic passports since nobody would qualify, and likewise eliminate the need for all State Department operations, since it would be impossible to find anybody to staff it.</p>
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